
So this guy asked me quite frankly (in a confrontational manner) if I believed in God, and more specifically, Jesus as God.
I told him I did.
He asked me if I believed that God performed miracles, and more specifically does God perform miracles even today. I told him yes, I believe God has and continues to perform miracles, even to today. He asks if I believe that God loves people, and that God is love. I agree. He then asked me his most profound question:
Why doesn't God heal amputees?At this point, I stopped and analyzed the situation and the question. While I was doing this, the guy began (in a laughing manner) berating me because I believed such an ignorant set of beliefs. As it turns out, the guy is an atheist. He calls me stupid. Calls my God stupid. Calls anyone believing that God performs miracles stupid. He says that if God is so loving why doesn't he heal the peg-legged amputees. He says surely I wouldn't believe such bunk when so clearly God doesn't love the amputees and therefore God doesn't love me or him either.
He then tries to convert me.***on a side note: Don't try to convert someone after you have just called him 'stupid'.***
I then opened my mouth and this is what followed.
'Well, why not go further than that? Why doesn't God heal the AIDS epidemic? Why doesn't God stop divorces from happening? Why doesn't God help all the poor abused peoples in Darfur? Why does God allow car accidents? Why is cancer spreading across the world? Why do some kids suddenly stop breathing when their parents take them home from the hospital after being born? Why doesn't God stop the war in Iraq? Why does God allow freak terrorists to fly commercial aircraft into buildings killing thousands of my brothers and sisters? Why doesn't God stop death?'(Pause for side note: I am not making light of amputees in any shape or form. I wish I could give amputees back their limbs as much as they do. What I am doing here is taking an argument to a logical conclusion.)
'What would tie God's hands so-to-speak that would prevent him from doing all these things?'
He answered that God's hands were tied because God didn't exist. I said, 'My sister always threatens to punch me in the face. If she punched you in the face would you like it?'
Of course he wouldn't like it.'Why not?' I asked. He says that it would be wrong. That she has no right to punch him in the face.
I asked him who decides what's right and wrong. He says the general public does for the sake of the people. I ask him why we needed such rules for the general public. He says because people aren't perfect and these rules help people behave well, for the benefit of all.
So I ask, 'So no ones perfect.' He agrees.
Then I open my mouth and this follows:
'What if I made cookie dough for you. Your favorite kind (chocolate chip). And I mixed it all in a big bowl. Now, it is a nice day outside and I left the window open in the kitchen and while my back is turned a New York pigeon flies into the kitchen and poops right into the cookie dough. I shoo the bird back outside and then do my best to scrape the bird crap out of the cookie dough bowl the best I can. Then I mix up the dough, bake some cookies, and bring the dough to you. Would you eat the cookies?
He says he most absolutely would not eat the cookies.I ask why not. He says because the crap may have seeped into the dough. I tell him I got most of the crap out of the dough and if any was left in the dough, it would be the tiniest amount. He doesn't care. He still wont eat the cookies. He would throw the batch away and start over. He says the cookies are now tainted.
Tainted.So I say, 'What if God wanted perfect people. But no perfect people existed. Instead, he has a bunch of tainted people running around, killing each other, lying, stealing, blowing peoples legs off. Now if I were God by your actions, I would throw the whole batch away. But that would mean that you and I are toast. Right here, right now. We are crispy. Tainted.'
I pause for a moment, waiting for God to smoke us. Then, after God hasn't smoked us for a couple seconds, I say:
'But we aren't toast. You and I are still here. Which means God is relenting. Why? Because if he does he would have to throw us away. But if he relents, then bad things are going to happen because we are an imperfect people doing wicked things in a wicked world.
So while we're here, people are going to die in wars. Thugs are going to take over countries. Cancer will continue to spread. AIDS wont go away. Politicians will continue to lie and mislead. You will catch the flu. There are consequences for evil. And God's inaction, God's allowing these horrible things to continue, is a sign of love. Not that he loves the evil things that are going on. But that he is not frying this whole place because he loves us enough to give us the chance to turn to him.
And when God does perform a miracle, when the Doctors go in to perform surgery and they find that the cancer isn't there, and they have no idea why; this is God acting in this wicked world, making it easier to live here, showing people that he does love them despite their wickedness.
When we feel like God isn't performing enough miracles, when we feel like God could act and should act, but then God doesn't; it's not because he doesn't exist.
***this has only been about 1/5 the actual conversation. But I can't type everything down, it gets too long. I know this isn't a perfectly designed and presented argument. But I think it gets down to the point. People want God to do amazing miracles, things that they can see, in order to believe in God. This attitude has been present since the beginning of creation. ***
To conclude....I recently heard that scientists are calling the planet Jupiter 'Earth's Angel & Protector.' They are calling Jupiter this because apparently, Jupiter is so big, and has such a large gravitational pull, that most comets and large asteroids that would in fact hit Earth, are stopped by Jupiter, sucked into Jupiter's atmosphere like a magnet. If Jupiter wasn't exactly where it is, wasn't as big as it is, didn't have the gravitational field as strong as it does; Earth would probably be pelleted by asteroids and meteors - some big enough to destroy whole cities.
While some believe this is a
coincidence, I choose to believe it is by design.
Hasn't God done enough?